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by lwtc247 @ 30. May 2007 - 07:45:05

What to say? It's hard to find the words. A summary should help. I'll try and be concise.

Rachel McFayden (webname: Rachel North) tells us she began blogging about her experiences following the London bombings of 7th July 2005. Her connection to it? As she likes to tell us, she is a victim/survivor.

Somehow she became a mainstream media favorite and has been on many UK news programs, coming across as a sort of acceptable {self-implanted?} thorn in the buttocks of Lizzies government. Someone who seems to think she has a higher authority, a mandate if you will, to speak about issues of 7-7. A championing voice to drown out any others on the matter.

The 7/7 stuff on Rachel’s blog is pro-government-narrative and she's happy to stay within the box. The ‘official’ Swiss cheese fairy tale of 7-7 does not for example, address official reports that one of the trains the bombers were supposed to have caught that day, was actually cancelled. such matters simply doesn't disturb her. But Raise such questions and you'll get the phantom flan flinging 'conspiraloon' slur-pie lobbed in your direction.

If unlike her many acolyte's your not grabbed by Rachelmania, devotees who let out a scream on perusal of every keystroke, you might realise that the nature of the things she says is terse, offensive and empty. If you don't fawn, you will soon be subject to a shrill attack. Her blog isn’t a place to obtain 7-7 information or provide a place where 7-7 issues can be discussed in a genuinely sincere manner.

This brings me to the current situation. A poster using the webname 'fjl' has apparently been going around McFayden's blog incurring the wrath of Rachel. fjl has also been on other 7-7 related sites, such as Bridget Dunnes, and to paraphrase Bridget, she said, fjl couldn't be described as being part of the '7-7 truth' contingent.

So even non-conspiraloon fjl, to use Rachelspeak, also makes Rachel tumble off her precariously-perched-upon rails. When this happens, you can sit back and watch Rachel rabbit on and on and on and on about how we shouldn't say such things, that so many bad things have been said against her, that we should feel sorry for her when a poster says something not to her liking. You either see the roar of Rachel or see the well worn delete key being employed again.

Now it seems like Rachel has managed to get fjl tangled in some legal process passed upon fjl, I would guess as a result of Rachel being as usual over sensitive to her and winging to the authorities that someone is arguing agaisnt her. Rachel says she was harassed by fjl for 400 days. So EVERY DAY for 400 days, fjl harassed Rachel? Yeah right. Such flights of fancy are characteristic of Rachel. I'd hazard a guess that Rachel is trying to be sneaky, her words actually meaning 400 days have passed since she and fjl had first contact, up until the 25th May when her netiquette shouted out the 400 claim, and during that time span the supposed harassment occurred.

Now McFayden, with the help of her blinkered hawks in the blogging fraternity, are going to extraordinary lengths to hound fjl, making her seem like public enemy number one.

A classical western political methodology is being employed by these pack dogs, closely paralleling what the tyrants in D.C. and London have done for years...

A 'history' is dragged up to yield discreditation, true to form of one of Blair and Campbell’s favourite tactics, briefing or spinning against their target. Demonization, is also utilised. As is a warning of danger and even claims of insanity is issued. Fear is both created and manipulated.

And then we have the auxiliary double standard, calling foul at when fjl is alleged to have outed McFayden as a rape victim. Exactly how fjl knew this, we are not informed.

This Blairish behaviour comes from what you may think of as being an unlikely source... the blog called Blairwatch. But they do have a track record of shape-shifting into the guise of the demon they disingenuously claim to oppose.

But the McFayden apostles of Rachel go further, putting ‘WANTED’ posters up and encouraging people to call the police. THIS IS DISGUSTING behaviour. You may also have spotted the snide near subliminal comments implying she looks old and is overweight - the police said that did they? Yeah right, I’m sure they did. Then there’s the ‘unusual squinting eye’, the grey hair, the imagery of a bag-lady, a homeless loner who has to seek free public based internet connections. Aaaah Rachel, I congratulate you for revelation of your ‘style’ and you have the audacity to say fjl “brings blogging into disrepute”.

It is deeply disturbing that bloggers are initiating a witch hunt against fjl. It stinks of an 18th Century witch hunt. You can sense the shark feeding frenzy about to erupt. Those chillingly impassioned words: "yessss!... Your gonna die..... Yessss!" spoken by the force-serving cameraman when British troops said when beating those Iraqi kids to a pulp, transpose themselves effortlessly to this situation.

It is deeply repugnant that the British blogging fraternity is doing this. Just what aneurism happened here? Many people who claim to want to extend the middle finger to the increasingly authoritarian government are engaging in this appalling hunt, taking on the persona of a mini-establishment trying to destroy the individual.

You have gone past the point of no return. You will slip further down this putrid path you have embarked upon.

Hypocrites!


 
 

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Alex Fear [Visitor]
http://www.abandonallfear.co.uk/blog
2007-05-30 @ 11:56

I have no opinion or interest in 7/7 however, I do have an opinion on mob justice.

Good post. It's a shame there are not more bloggers pointing out the hypocracy and absurdity of this. FJL may be disturbed or mentally ill, but Rachel's blog is starting to look like FJL's blog more and more every day.

I have been reading from a distance but have now decided to enter the fray. I've posted about this debacle recently on my blog.

Shameless self-publicity, I know, but it seems everyone's at it these days!

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ED: I've tried fixing the post. It was complete before however, and there was a link to your post within your comment, which is now gone. I also have two independent records of you making this same post! Very peculiar. What's going on I wonder?

The blog owner changed this comment on 2007-05-30 19:05

lwtc247lwtc247 [Member]
2007-05-30 @ 12:38

You say two things in particular that I wish I'd thought of. They represent my thoughts well and would have increased the efficiency of my initial post.

1) "mob justice". I don't know fjl, in fact she only came to prominence with me since Rachel went OTT. I'm afraid it's my natural state to try and stick up for those I believe are being unjustly persecuted. fjl seems like one such person. I don’t think fjl has mental issues, perhaps stuck in a rut of having to defend herself against what she believes, and I feel I must agree with her about this, is an ongoing and increasing viscous attack.

2) "Rachel's blog is starting to look like FJL's blog more and more every day." that had occurred to me too.

Self publicity – no worries, your rational comments and hence link and are most welcome.

rabbit [Visitor]

2007-05-30 @ 15:34

Yeah, but FJL has actually been convicted under the Harassment Act. Legally, she's in the wrong, and since she is quite literally on the run from the police and still doing the things she's banned from doing (blogging, sending abusive email, etc), it's not illegitimate to put the word out asking for sightings to be reported.

How you can read her blog and not perceive that she's deeply unstable, I don't know, but then I never trust a person who can't spell 'vicious'. Seriously, look a bit further into this and past your knee-jerk prejudices before leaping to conclusions. Rachel's not her first target by any means.

Alex Fear [Visitor]
http://www.abandonallfear.co.uk/blog
2007-05-30 @ 16:13

"knee-jerk", Rabbit? Seriously?

I spent a good 5 or 6 hours reading both Rachels and FJL's blogs - from the beginning - to gain a perspective.

I also checked out other blogs and sites to gain a bigger picture.

How many hours have you put in? How many hours have those people adding wanted badges to their posts put in?

Funnily enough, the only two sources I can verify that FJL has actually been "convicted" is Rachels blog and FJLs. The MSM reported it after Rachel blogged it, who of course writes for the Times, so they've simply lifted the story off her blog.

For all we know, FJL could not exist- it could be some publicity stunt. No-one has presented a verifiable police press release for the arrest warrant.

Rachel is known amongst 'conspiraloons' to respond to criticism sometimes badly. She also aggressively defends her public image by responding to comments like these (I am awaiting my first confrontation). The only person cyber-stalking Rachel North is ironically Rachel North, since she seems to consistently find and respond to any blog and forum posts that mention her name.

lwtc247lwtc247 [Member]
2007-05-30 @ 18:02

Alex @ 16:13

It is cerainly an interesting proposition. And Rachels book sales are unlikely to suffer. But be careful, suggesting such things will means there's a cream filled flan waiting out there, with your name on it. ;p

Alex Fear [Visitor]
http://www.abandonallfear.co.uk/blog
2007-05-30 @ 18:27

Thanks for the heads up lwtc247,

I actually do believe FJL exists, but I think it's very convenient Rachel has a new book soon to be released. =)

I'm already covering my ass against anything potentially libellous.

Yup I am fully aware that Rachel understands what abuse/cyber-bullying is:
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=8392&highlight=#8392

barbarella [Visitor]

2008-04-10 @ 13:17

No, fjl (Felicity Jane Lowde) exists. I was at school with her. She HAS been convicted of similar harassment before and will no doubt continue if she isn't helped. I am neither pro nor anti Rachel North, but I AM anti harassment.

lwtc247lwtc247 [Member]
2007-05-30 @ 17:50

Rabbit...
If there is a warrant for her arrest, then yes, perhaps she should pop into the local police station. But, she may well feel that the law was been twisted, applied unjustly or unfairly towards her. I can imagine that it would take some time to allow for the anger to subside and resign oneself to the process of law, cautions, appeals etc. If one was convinced that there was an organised effort set out to get them, then that's another reason why I can understand her reluctance to enter 'the matrix' as it were. The legal system we have now is partly to blame. It's crap! and is deservedly disrespected. And when it comes to, lets be honest, minor offences, why shouldn't Blair and his band of cherry {picking} men be in the dock instead of her? She may simply not know about any warrant. Unlikely perhaps but possible. One thing is certain, this whole thing is blown massively out of proportion.

it's not illegitimate to put the word out asking for sightings to be reported.
Well it may not be illegal, but I'm of the opinion it's very nasty and it's not being done for the reason of 'good citizenry' but for other reasons, blind "loyalty" for one in support of abrasive Rachel. I'd say fjl has some issues, and I've said I believe she's stuck in an emotional/defensive rut. I don't think she's mentally unstable though. But look at Rachel, fjl how different are they? What's more, caustic Rachel seems to have a list of people lining up to share their stories about her.

Re: 'vicious' - come on. Crap typing doesn't indicate stability or otherwise. The meaning is there. Blogging is a time consuming occupation. Banging in a post here and there in-between coffee breaks on an unfamiliar 'Devorak' for example is hardly an issue.

lwtc247lwtc247 [Member]
2007-05-30 @ 18:10

Alex....

Somehow the link you initially gave pointing to your site has bizzrely turned into Rachels! and also the last bit of your post has gone. Hopefully it's just a technical error and not that my blog's being hacked!!

But when I try and get to your site, It says "You are not authorized to view this page"

Any suggestions?

Alex Fear [Visitor]
http://www.abandonallfear.co.uk/blog
2007-05-30 @ 18:32

The link I originally gave was meant in irony- for some reason your comment engine cut off the last sentence but it was mean't to say:

Shameless self-publicity, I know, but it seems everyone's(link:Rachels blog) at it these days!

Oh dear, that didn't work well did it. Can you fix it?

BTW if you can't access the site email me your IP address- i'll check it against my block list, but that's funny since you were able to leave a comment before.

lwtc247lwtc247 [Member]
2007-05-30 @ 19:07

I visited your site earlier though Alex, as you mentioned. I don’t think you blocked my IP today did you? And actually, I don’t think it's possible to block the IP. My server dynamically assigns an IP.

Have you read the interview I did with Bridget Dunne? Bridget mentions that on a Forum, Rachel said "And I was asked to take you lot on since it was thought that it would be pretty catastrophic to have the sane, rational, clear-eyed campaign for a 7/7 inquiry linked with nutters who think it was an inside job by Mossad, the CIA, M15, lizards, Jews, etc"

I wonder who asked her to take 'them' {the 7-7 truth campaigners} on and how did/is this 'taking on' manifesting itself?

You know, in the world of counter intelligence, there are saboteurs who take on the role of the opposition and who by their actions manage to bring disrepute to the opposition. Check out the book: Daniele Ganser's "NATO's Secret Armies" ISBN(10): 0714685003 and watch the three part series called "Operation Gladio" on Google. In addition to being phoney counter insurgents, there are phoney targets. People who can be seen to be attacked in order to milk sympathy. IF one believes that the government is involved in 7-7 then you can be sure, there are units out there supporting the whole sordid plot. When we examine for likely candidates that take on this role, it’s not long before they show up. The horrific tricks of the intelligence agencies are well and truly out of the bag.

Also check out Stephen Kinser on the fantastic Democracy Now with Amy Goodman. http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/21/132247 who discusses his book examing the 14 coups the US has instigated in a 110 year period.

People are smelling the coffee!

Alex Fear [Visitor]
http://www.abandonallfear.co.uk/blog
2007-05-30 @ 19:31

That's a lot to take in LW, thanks. You've piqued my interest, I don't think I have time to read any books but I'll check out the web links.

I have a htaccess file on my site which filters out unwanted attention, bots and dross.

Doesn't sound like you have a problem. Let me know by email if you do.

I've added you to my feed, but I haven't updated my site links for months so hope you don't mind if the only reciprocity is in the comments for now.

Ha, I did read the interview. I've done quite a bit of googling this weekend just to get the lowdown. I had never heard of Rachel North before- so basically what you're getting here is solid first time reaction.

If her book is anything like her blog, I imagine there will be many reacting like me.

lwtc247lwtc247 [Member]
2007-05-30 @ 19:45

"I have a htaccess file on my site which filters out unwanted attention, bots and dross." uffff! I rapidly going out of my depth, but logically, if you haven't altered any filtering settings and I was able to post on your site earlier today, then something new has occured that you arn't aware of and perhaps need to be aware of! My IP should have appeared on your post, visible to your admin account I guess. But my IP (or so I believe) changes, doesn't it?? Urrrmm.. I think it does. Oh Dear. LOL.

Stef [Visitor]
http://stefzucconi.blogspot.com/
2007-05-30 @ 20:01

@Alex

I'm getting bumped from your post/ site with a 403 message too.

Alex Fear [Visitor]
http://www.abandonallfear.co.uk/blog
2007-05-30 @ 22:47

Apologies to anyone who can't get access!

I don't have anything configured on my blog- it's actually a configuration file on the web server.

You are possibly trying to view from government computers? =) No joke- I filter those!

email me alex@abandonallfear.co.uk with your IP, I'll fix the access and reply.

Stef [Visitor]
http://stefzucconi.blogspot.com/
2007-05-31 @ 08:33

You are possibly trying to view from Government computers?

oh yes, very good

lwtc247lwtc247 [Member]
2007-05-31 @ 10:25

If I was using such a 'pooter', with e-mail access(!), I'd not have time for this blog as I'd spend my time BCCing every document I could find to every news organisation I could think of until the nwo spooks threw me in jaol for potentially hampering their masters rotten imperialism.

You might want to look at this and get your facts straight, conspiracy 24/7

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2326692.ece

lwtc247lwtc247 [Member]
2007-08-29 @ 12:19

I'm surprized someone is persuing this entry, given the current circumstances...

Mum has died (August 22, 2007) - by Rachel
http://tinyurl.com/ytprry

Out of respect, I wont comment at this time.

fjl [Visitor]
http://www.fjlathome2.blogspot.com
2007-11-21 @ 22:45

Hi, I never saw this. :-)

Thanks.

lwtc247lwtc247 [Member]
2007-11-22 @ 04:11

Hi fjl.

This article I wrote is, true today as it has ever been and is one of the most commented posts on this blog (about 200+ I believe). It seems like there are many people who were appalled at the behavior of those who rabidly hounded you. I think some of them still have up those nasty posters. If the tables were turned and they experienced what they did to you, no doubt they would quickly realize how bad their behavior is. I wonder if they are breaching the law by having these e-posters still up - I bet they are you know!

I had not returned back here and replied to MM [Visitor]
@ 09:57 , 2007-08-29 after Rachels mum died, because even though I'm definitely not a Rachel fan, she is a human and I feel sorry for the very painful loss she experienced. Now Rachels grief should have transformed into a pain that she has learned to live with, so I will take up this post again. Suffice to say my facts WERE straight as they were from DIRECT communication between me and her and also me and Blairwatch. All things I wrote about stemmed from those that so I don't need some utterly useless 3rd party story completely irrelevant to my dealing with North and her vicious crew who hide behind a think veneer of semi-respectability, so MM, you might want to get YOUR facts straight discussing what I said to Rachel and Blairwatch and what they said to me.

Felicity, I have some questions about what you say.
How come you were able to access files that are not available to the public? What exactly is your connection to Special Branch? If you could let me know (if it doesn't cause any legal problems that is) then please resolve my curiosity.

I wish you well and actually, I wish it was possible to wish Rachel and BW well come to that - in the sense that I wish none of this had happened and were all pulling in the same direction against a very DANGEROUS government and shift in societal attitudes.

All the best and sincerest regards...
lwtc247

fjl [Visitor]
http://www.fjlathome2.blogspot.com
2007-11-22 @ 12:16

Hi again.

I was terrified you'd get a bombardment from a certain squad, but they seem to have abstained on this occasion. Interesting.

Thanks for your kindness. I am used to being in both a vulnerable situation, to the concept of police connivance, and to Special Branch somewhat, and to these abusers on the web. All the same , it was a terrifying experience, being so badly hounded and falsely accused, and of course you're distressed on behalf of other people, such as, your family.

I had Special Access to Special Branch archive documents and I'm currently in a dispute about their release to the public, which Ian Blair and co do not want. I have now released these facts.

Which brings me to my next point. Part of the abusive campaign against me was, (to counter my allegations about police abuses, which I indeed did experience,) to state that I was mentally ill and imagining that Special Branch were keen on covertly taking my hard drives. I was not imagining it, they are indeed extremely keen on having them, and I have produced the evidence; I have been subjected to a great deal of intimidation and covert threats. This, at the same time as the Wanted Campaign, was overwhelmingly alarming and distressing. In fact, I feel as if I have been harassed to death almost. But I am very calm and strong. We know Dad's ex secret service, ( the Churchill's Secret Army experiences and etc.) and even he says to me 'I wonder where you get your inner strength from.' :-)

I'm fine. Tired, shocked at the world and his wife, or rather, the world as represented by the current media storm, but fine.

Can I however state to those who're making noises about my mental state as a result of the libel that was printed. Please Do Not Do It please; there is no reason to repeat libelous claims of the kind. It is more than extremely unhelpful, and made me vulnerable to serious abusers in the case.

Anyway, that stage is over, that mob/squad attacking me on the web couldn't get anyone to say I was nuts, ( even though they may well have done their all to try and get them to do so) so let's move on.

Thanks for the moral stance. You are a good soul.

Rachel [Visitor]
http://www.rachelnorthlondon.blogspot.com
2007-11-22 @ 13:30

Suffice to say my facts WERE straight as they were from DIRECT communication between me and her and also me and Blairwatch. All things I wrote about stemmed from those that so I don't need some utterly useless 3rd party story completely irrelevant to my dealing with North and her vicious crew who hide behind a think veneer of semi-respectability, so MM, you might want to get YOUR facts straight discussing what I said to Rachel and Blairwatch and what they said to me.

Excuse me, but I don't remember communicating with you at all, ever, in person, by email, or in comments

I have just checked. There is no email from you and no comments, that I can find. I have never met you so I am not at all sure why you are now claiming 'DIRECT communication between me and her'.

There are numerous other factual errors in your post, but I see little point in explaining them to you and in any case, they are a court-proven matter of public record.

Rather than argue with you, perhaps you could get in touch with me and explain where, and when, and how you 'directly communicated' with me before?

Since, as I have just explained, I cannot find any evidence for it at all.

Which is odd, don't you think?

lwtc247lwtc247 [Member]
2007-11-22 @ 15:04

Hello Rachel. Hope you are coping better now. Look, I really don’t want to be too frosty, but I have to take the chance to ask you some questions seeing as you’ve come here.

You did communicate DIRECTLY with me. I wrote on your blog and you replied. Those posts got deleted as you slurred them as conspiraloonacy. I also justifiably criticised you about your book (also on Blairwatch) about you courting conspiracy in promotion of your book. They deleted my posts too, also never bothering to answer the questions I raised. I wasn't using the lwtc247 ID then, so if you scanned what filtered posts you have left concerning points of conspiracy "lwtc247" you won't find them. I stand 100% by everything I said.

I have to say, I am deeply suspicious of the kind of enquiry you want, why you want it and why you don’t want it to address the very searching and serious questions the J7: The July Seventh Truth Campaign ask. It seems obvious to me that you want it to conclude: “It was just a cock up”, as De-Menezes was a “cock-up” and similar to how Iraq was a cock-up because mass murderer scumbag bLiar acted honourably on what he believed was credible intelligence - all utter complete lobbox of course.

I also cannot understand why you continue to say things like "Germaine Lindsey, who killed 26 people on the Piccadilly line train" when he has faced no trail there are hundreds of other questions to be answered alongside that. Not to mention the chilling story of Peter Power and also the things Daniel Obachike says.

fjl:
The way you and your pack hounded fjl really was sickening. Don’t you have any reand although you have the right to comment (without fear of deletion) here on it, you are showing questionable judgement posting here after fjl has already commented, especially having given the impression you wanted to put all this behind you. Isn't there some kind of legal arrangement whereby there is restricted overlap of communications between you both?

While on the subject, perhaps you could clear up the insulting description of fjl you said the Police issued and give me the name of the police officer who told you that insulting description too and how fjl knew you were a rape victim? You told her right? So if you told her then how can you complain that it them becomes public knowledge. And don't you have to trust someone, be very friendly to someone to tell them something like that?

Rachel the things you do and the things you say do nothing to dispel the suspicions I and others have about you. I don’t want to have this suspicions of you. I guess you don’t care, but still… I just wish you would answer some of those questions and have an honest discussion with people like myself to resolve all this once and for all. Don't you want that?

Anyway... I didn't expect to see you on my blog, but thanks for coming here. I always welcome intelligent contributors even I am strongly opposed to their views. If you were good enough to point out the errors I have no mental block (as I guess you think all conspiraloons have) in accepting I may have made errors, and if you are right, I’d correct them.

I know you’ve met Nafeez Ahmad a few times. He has proved various levels of conspiracy, how come the things he’s uncovered doesn’t make you wonder if this most appalling of governments / political era’s is involved with 7-7? I hope against hope that you would join those of us who wish the grubby govt probed for involvement as they should be probed. Isn’t it them that will force us to have ID cards proclaiming “If you’ve nothing to hide, you’ve got nothing to fear”.

I would rather discuss matters here in public if you don’t mind.

fjl [Visitor]
http://www.fjlathome2.blogspot.com
2007-11-22 @ 13:45

I wouldn't bother answering that, tw.

Just to point out to readers that, given that there is a retrial in the case, and given that evidence was withheld from the defense, and that the Crown Court have acknowledged this, nothing is definitely " Court proven and a matter of public record." Even if the false allegations about me were proven, they would not be an excuse for libel and hate campaigns of the type being rightfully complained about here. Court cases where evidence was omitted are not a camel for publicity seekers to ride on the back of during hard times.

I am not intimidated by such bunkum in anycase.

have a peaceful day:-)

Rachel [Visitor]
http://www.rachelnorthlondon.blogspot.com
2007-11-22 @ 14:34

Dear lwtc 24/7
I am just going to stick to the facts here and not make any comments about the way you have portrayed events other than to say they are inaccurate - and you can check the facts quite easily for yourself, by, for example, phoning the court.

The allegations of harassment from the period Jan 06 to April 2007 were proven, in front of a District Judge in a criminal court,( Stratford Magistrates Court 2nd April 2007).

Felicity Lowde failed to attend court and had *no reasonable excuse for her non-appearance( *as found by the Judge at sentencing). Felicity Lowde was found guilty on the evidence. I then mentioned what had happened for the first time on my blog and hoped it was all over. But Felicity went on the run, and so a Bench warrant was issued for her arrest.

Felicity Lowde was found after c.10 days as a result of the 'wanted' campaign, which asked internet users/bloggers to look out for her in N/E London cybercafes and Oxford cybercafes, and if they saw her to call the police. She was found in a NE London cybercafe by police as a result of a blogger tip-off.

I then asked people to remove the buttons, contacting all the peple who had displayed them to explain. Anyone clicking any buttons still up goes direct to a page explaining she is no longer wanted as she was brought into custody and asking for the buttons to come down. I don't think there are any still up.

Felicity was remanded after being caught, and sentenced to the maximum 6 months for harassment s2. Felicity served 3 months and was released for the last 3 on licence.

Felicity is appealing the conviction, which anyone convicted in a Magistrate's Court can do, and appeals against conviction take the place of a full rehearing of the trial evidence in a Crown Court with a Judge and usually a few Magistrates as well.

Felicity remains convicted, is still on licence, and is bound by an ASBO and a restraining order which protect 16 victims for 5 years/life or until overturned at an appeal. There has not yet been any date set for any appeal, so the conviction and the ASBO stand.

Felicity's previous convictions for harassment s2 were referred to in court and are also a matter of record. I am not, and never have been, her only victim.

By commenting here she is in breach of the ASBO, which means she can now be charged with a separate offence which could lead to a fine of up to £5000 or/and up to 5 years in jail.

She would be sensible to stop commenting here and she would be sensible to refrain from commenting on the case. All I have ever wanted is for her to cease harassing me, and to leave me and her other victims alone, and to get appropriate help.

fjl [Visitor]
http://www.fjlathome2.blogspot.com
2007-11-22 @ 15:08

These facts, scoalled, are entirely incorrect libellous abuse.

I harass no one, I am a victim of a hate-harassment campaign. These arguments are well known , indeed they are visible for all to see, and I don't think people should barge over here and correct others' opinions, as they are wont to do. I do not need any 'help, and those who state that I do are simply indulging in libelous manipulative abuse, over which they will be facing serious questions in a serious Court, if they want to turn up and make false allegations there.

There is nothing in the gag about not linking to a supportive person. Conversely, there is everything unlawful about conducting hate-wanted campaigns on the web, and writing extremely serious lies in newspapers.

I am not taking this manipulative crap, as I have made plain. I am not a 'vampire', either. My friends have been so sweet to me in this matter. That one made them laugh the most.

I am not going to answer anymore in this matter. Not until it becomes a hanging offense to disagree with 'certain individuals', which they may well have planned on their agenda. :-)

So to anyone who feels like barging over here with more manipulative abusive self justifying libelous cr*p, naff off. No one is buying it.

Rachel [Visitor]
http://www.rachelnorthlondon.blogspot.com
2007-11-22 @ 15:58

LWTC

If you *still* think I somehow arranged to be harassed to a hugely distressing and frightening degree with hundreds of hatemails, hatecomments and hateful and defamatory blog posts from January 2006 onwards, by a stranger, in order to somehow 'promote' a book that was not even conceived of until October 2006, and which I didn't begin writing until well after that, then there is very little I can say to you on the subject, because it is clearly pretty pointless.

Because of the ongoing legal situation with the Judicial Review proceedings from myself and other survivors/bereaved families I cannot comment on what you are saying about 7/7. It is subjudice.

I do not want to have any communication with Felicity Lowde, and she is banned from writing to me, about me, in her own name or inciting others to do so, in any medium by court order - which is why she should not be commenting here.

Regarding the facts of her previous convictions, latest conviction, sentencing, etc, I have explained, & you can check court records. Regarding the photo of Felicity, it was an old photo and her physical changes since it was taken were given and described accurately. She *was* older, heavier, with different hair etc than she was when the photo was taken. (If you look at photos of me from several years ago, I also look older, heavier and with different hair.)I did see her when she was sentenced, and the police description was accurate. You can come to her appeal and look at her for yourself.

It is not 'hounding' someone to state that they are wanted for arrest when they *are* wanted for arrest - it was Felicity's own choice to fail to attend court without an excuse and then to go on the run, and she was apprehended within 10 days as a direct result of the targeted campaign asking net users to look out for her in net cafes in NE London and Oxford. She was found in a net cafe in NE London as I have said. It is no different to Crimewatch or wanted posters in police and rail stations.

Felicity may well have found it upsetting to suddenly find the internet, which she had tried to use as a tool to blacken her numerous victims' reputations for several years - calling them criminals, abusers, murderers, stalkers, evil, psychotic, liars etc - suddenly showing her in an unflattering light as an absconded wanted criminal, but that was in fact what she had become. It was her choice to harass me and other people and then to skip the trialand to continue the harassment.

I put up with her abuse in silence for over a year whilst she did everything in her power to trash me, and to make me go under. It made me physically ill. There was no reason for her to go after me as she did. Yet, despite her provocation, I never even mentioned her name until she was properly convicted in court.

It is a shame Felicity does not treat court convictions and court orders more seriously.

She has said and done some truly venomous, horrible things, and she criminally harassed people. This is a proven fact, whatever her denials. This is why I wish that she would accept help, because how she behaves is so destructive, not least to herself and her family.

I really do not want to comment here any more, particularly not today, but at least you now have the facts. Please do feel free to check them.

I daresay we will never agree about your theories about and my experience of the London bombings, but it is possible to disagree with someone and still accept that, whether you like them or not, they have been viciously abused by someone they have never met, and that the facts are provably different to the way you ( and Felicity) have portrayed them. You may form your own opinions about why I wrote a book on PTSD and why I campaign with survivors and families for an inquiry, but please remember this.

As someone who says they like to check facts and conduct research, you are free to check the facts in this case. And bear in mind that whilst you may be sympathetic to FJL, simply because she dislikes me and harasses me, and you also dislike me, because I disagree with your 7/7 theories and have said so - she is a three-times-convicted criminal harasser, who is not representing the situation accurately.

Regards

RN

lwtc247lwtc247 [Member]
2007-11-22 @ 16:09

But Rachel she commented here before you! It's you who should have posting here goading her! and you shouldn't be talking to her via a 'third party'.

I thought you wanted all this to be finished with? Fjl has suffered enough. I'd have though someone who has experienced more tragedy and hardship than most us have, would realise that.

fjl [Visitor]
http://www.fjlathome2.blogspot.com
2007-11-22 @ 16:09

I have simply not done these things.

I am astonished about how some people persist in their invading people's blogs all over the web to justify their lies and abuse. However they persist in assisting my legal team in so doing.

It all seems very desperate to me. For the record, though I would like to reaffirm that

a) I am not a vampire ;-) ( yes, I have been accused of this)

b) I have not harassed anyone; certain people making such claims are writing an abuse blog about me at http://www.streamsofutternonsense.blogspot.com where their stalking and harassment is revealed

c) I am not a harasser, and there is simply no evidence of me committing this alleged year long harassment whatever. The only reason I was found guilty was because I was tried in absentia, where a guilty verdict is automatic. The magistrate did nothing unusual in that respect.

d) I did not turn up because I had been harassed to death, almost, and was diagnosed with exhaustion. Also, I put in a request for an adjournment because the evidence I needed to help prove my innocence was not given to the defense by police. This adjournment request did not get passed to the magistrate.

e) I am none of the things being stated in newspapers, and a false picture of me has been deliberately constructed. I did not say the things that media outlets have been told that I said.

All this will come out though, and surely it us up to a serious Court to test it. It is not for anyone else to do so in terms of a legal verdict on it.

??? :-)

fjl [Visitor]
http://www.fjlathome2.blogspot.com
2007-11-22 @ 16:17

I would also like to point out that the pictures of me, which are incidentally all my copyright that *certain individuals* used for a 'wanted campaign' against me on the net, were taken three years ago, and if necessary, provably so. I do look young and apparently attractive, but for the record, I really do not set much store by it. There are a lot of pretty women in this world. It amuses me to emphasize it because I know it annoys my competitors and those who are harassing me an sabotaging me, as I recently explained to my lawyer, who told me to stop 'vaunting my stunning self'- and we had a laugh about it.

:-)

Why on earth should my appearance matter in any case? It ought to be totally irrelevant. hhmm. Oh dear it's getting funny, isn't it.

nb Don't worry I haven't mentioned any names or contacted anyone on this blog and so have not breached my gagging order.

fjl [Visitor]
http://www.fjlathome2.blogspot.com
2007-11-22 @ 16:52

'The 7/7 stuff on Rachel’s blog is pro-government-narrative and she's happy to stay within the box. The ‘official’ Swiss cheese fairy tale of 7-7 does not for example, address official reports that one of the trains the bombers were supposed to have caught that day, was actually cancelled.'

... was it?

Very interesting, if so. ( More than other nonsense re harassment bunkum etc.)

Disorganization between SB and MI5, you feel? :-) Personally I feel the cancellation is likely to be a coincidence, but then, like the tunnel Fiat Uno, it is odd. No one should be called a conspiraloony for pointing out that it's both unusual and interesting. It doesn't explain why so many good researchers at SB were taking their research into the 7/7 matter so seriously- remark, they were investigating re preventing future episodes more than anything else.

Is this was Bridget means by 'The Mysterious case of the Disappearing Train time?' :-)

Recently I spent alot of time driving to the sea-side with a friend who has what here in London everyone calls a Tom Tom, ie a navigator, that literally intercepts a car's route and directs the driver by satellite. I'd seen them before but not at length and I hadn't got around to thinking about using one. A little girl who was with us pointed out that if it is this easy, then surely MI5 could have watched Diana's car, tracked it, and intercepted it when she was in trouble in order to shoot her off the rails.

It is not proven, but it is not impossible. Then again, very little is.

:-)

lwtc247lwtc247 [Member]
2007-11-22 @ 17:00

Rachel @ 2007-11-22 @ 14:58

Thanks for replying. I've got connection problems so sorry If I'm slow in replying.

I don't think you arranged all that harassment to promote your book, I've always thought of those as separate issues. I was saying having been e-slapped in the face by you, a stranger, in the past for asking sincere questions that I could easily that Felicity might have had a similar experience.

But my most significant beef with you in the past was mainly you saying things like "a tidal wave" was coming and a number of other 'secret' things that others didn't want released and so on, and you encourage (passively or otherwise) people to think badly of you by, for example as Bridget Dunne pointed out, having made a statement about your "handlers" following which you were quizzed on this. you obviously dodged the issue.

David Shayler said he thinks the way you act is 'sharp'

Re 7-7: "It is subjudice." OK, fair enough, but I'm left with an unsatisfactory feeling that that these questions will always be outstanding. Would you answer those questions after?

fjl isn't encouraging me to write about you. I've said before and I still believe, that if I thought I was a victim of injustice as she clearly feels I would find it incredibly difficult to let go, just as you cant seem to put it behind you as you may has wanted to previously.

Personally I think you both have given as good as you've got.

Do you both want this thing to roll on? What do you think will be happening in 2 years time? Still thunder and lightening? What do each of you think it will take to stop it?

"you may be sympathetic to FJL, simply because she dislikes me and harasses me" No Rachel, that's wrong. I've know clearly my issues with each of you and really, personal emotions aren’t a factor.

I'm still confident that you were insulting to her on in your description of her. The (small) physical changes were derogatory and the description you gave was before she was detained and stressed and sentenced. So seeing her AT sentencing isn't comparable, and to some neutrals out there you and your supporters were hounding her. Can you imagine the psychological stress that would put on someone?

Are you sure you never did anything to her which encouraged her to pursue you? Although if you are truly a victim I guess this is an unfair question as victim self-blame is a psychological response, but I ask out of curiosity, not from ill intention.

Do you both want this thing to roll on? What do you think will be happening in 2 years time? Still thunder and lightening? What do each of you think it will take to stop it?

"at least you now have the facts." I appreciate you putting your side over.

"you are free to check the facts in this case" Understood, although I caution that miscarriages or skewey justice (like the man who loved his bicycle will testify) are always backed by 'facts'

"you also dislike me, because I disagree with your 7/7 theories and have said so" No. I don't dislike you, I disagree strongly with you and question many of things you say and honestly speaking believe there is sufficient room to believe you are a shill of some capacity. Having said that, I also must accept you may very well be the victim of a horrific bombing but I feel that somehow for whatever reason dare not entertain the possibility that your government almost killed you.

fjl [Visitor]
http://www.fjlathome2.blogspot.com
2007-11-22 @ 17:18

tw,

Please wait for the facts before even lightly suggesting that I would ever go anywhere near behaving like these 'wanted' blog campaigners, as I have never treated anyone in such a way, and would not dream of doing any such thing to anyone. it was extreme harassment and abuse. All I have ever done in the face of a campaign to destroy me, is defend myself. My blog exposed facts, and was never abusive.

This will become apparent.

I disagree that the government orchestrated 7/7. rather, there may have been a serious security services blunder. Hence, your point re the cancellation being interesting.

The most interesting thing about you though is that your heart is in the right place. Don't lost sight of that by being intimidated by people who shout 'I'm a victim look at me!' and yet visibly hurt other people. There are quite a few in this world. Some people use a claimed victim status as a weapon to hurt others extremely.

lwtc247lwtc247 [Member]
2007-11-22 @ 17:23

fjl @ 2007-11-22 @ 15:09

I am perfectly well understand what you went through when the web campaign was launched against you. I have beeen the victim of a cyber-stalker and the stress of it was playing on my mind every second of the day.

Re: Cancelled trains. This is an evolving story which the superb J7 are tring their best to extract from the grubby government, so please go (back) to Bridget Dunnes blog: http://bridgetdunnes.blogspot.com/
and the J7 website http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/

but alas, the govt is getting away with it.

There are 1001 interesting things about 7-7 fjl, The spurious trains (or lack of trains) is just one.

About these Special Branch documents... HOW did you get them? What exactly is your relationship with them? Whatever it was it seems to have gone sour. Please elaborate on this.

Re: Diana conspiracy... There's definately questions to be asked about that but personlly, I think there are more important issues to deal with first, namely 7-7 , 9-11, JCdm, 22-7-05 and Iraq.

fjl [Visitor]
http://www.fjlathome2.blogspot.com
2007-11-22 @ 17:38

Intriguing. The cancellation is very Fiat Uno, isn't it. :-)

'As it is an internal police document it is not designed for publication.'

Actually that's not quite true. It is not destined for instant publication, but after the thirty year rule expires, anyone ought to be able to publish it. It ought to be subject to release to the National Archives. Who knows? Your keeping on at them may enhance the chances of this.

Alas, that release policy is pure bunkum in reality. I have stood next to that shredding machine in the Special Branch archives department, it is active all day. I managed to save the 19th century related Special Branch activity by a miracle, and still, look at all this fuss. You would think I had swallowed the Crown Jewels, and that they had to do anything they needed to to get me to cough up.

I was researching at Special Branch and the National Archives for a couple of years. I discovered serious evidence and put some casework together, which you may partly read about on my blog. Special Branch object to me disclosing any material relating to Irish spy activity, as they have an (unlawful) blanket policy that dictates that Irish history is simply never to be revealed.

The civil injunction case against me at Chancery Lane, which I find to be an attempted liberty on the part of SB, will be a test case, r.e document release and the thirty year rule. I believe that Special Branch do not have a legal leg to stand on, but are just making everyone's lives in my case with them as complicated and difficult as possible.

At the end of the day it's all about seeing who gives up and rolls over, I think. Good grief , I can understand why some people do.

fjl [Visitor]
http://www.fjlathome2.blogspot.com
2007-11-22 @ 17:45

...By the way I love this.

'e-slapped in the face'

'Official swiss cheese'

:0) hilarious...!

fjl [Visitor]
http://www.fjlathome.blogspot.com
2007-11-22 @ 18:57

...Not to mention 'skewed justice, and the man who fell off his bike.' You certainly have some funny expressions. :-)

Incidentally before anyone bangs off, there is nothing against me quoting what someone has said, or linking to a supportive poster, in the temporary 'asbo' gagging order. In any event, I have merely defended myself in general terms and the hostility does not emanate from me.

...An order they obtained in my absence, which a judge is very likely to say is a complete accident, and cancel. An order which my detractors are determined to make the most of in the meantime to the point of hiring a pedal-bike satellite navigator to trace my various ip's (if they possibly could). I can see them tracing me like those two clowns hired by the Baron Bombast. They'd probably hire a pedal boat as well.

(Who looks like a conspiraloon now then, detractors all? :-) )

lwtc247lwtc247 [Member]
2007-11-23 @ 01:01

fjl @ 2007-11-22 @ 15:09

I am perfectly well understand what you went through when the web campaign was launched against you. I have beeen the victim of a cyber-stalker and the stress of it was playing on my mind every second of the day.

Re: Cancelled trains. This is an evolving story which the superb J7 are trying their best to extract from the grubby government, so please go (back) to Bridget Dunnes blog: http://bridgetdunnes.blogspot.com/
and the J7 website http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/

but alas, the govt is getting away with it.

There are 1001 interesting things about 7-7 fjl, The spurious trains (or lack of trains) is just one.

About these Special Branch documents... HOW did you get them? What exactly is your relationship with them? Whatever it was it seems to have cooled off a lot. Please elaborate on this.

Re: Diana conspiracy... There's definitely questions to be asked about that but personally, I think there are more important issues to deal with first, namely 7-7 , 9-11, JCdm, 22-7-05 and Iraq.

anon [Visitor]

2007-11-23 @ 01:22

FJL has been BANNED from the National Archives, not because of any complex conspiracy, but simply because she started harassing the Head of Conservation, and not only him but his wife and daughter too. For example, finding a photo of his daughter on her wedding day and publishing it on the Internet saying nderneath "at least the bitch managed to keep her legs shut for one day".

She has also been jailed three times, beginning 2000, for harassment offences. Rachel is merely one of many victims and it galls me to read that you consider HER to be a "victim of cyber-stalking". I suspect you simply have a wilful personality and will take issue with anything, but I'd ask you to at least be cautious and sceptical in your dealings with FJL.

lwtc247lwtc247 [Member]
2007-11-23 @ 08:00

Hello anon. Thank you for contributing.

If fjl did that, I'd like to know if there was any reasons behind it. If there were no reasons, then such an action speaks for itself and requires little comment from me but it wouldn't make me feel any more comfortable with how various members of the blogging community enjoyed the hunt. They gave the appearance it was like a computer game. I could almost hear the sniggering too. No thought at all that there was another soul out there hunted and frightened.

Re: Cyber stalking:
Possibly my fault, but you misunderstood what I meant. I was being cyber-stalked by someone who was skilled in computers. I knew what it was like to be in someone’s crosshairs. I understood how fjl felt about the bloggers hunting her and trying to track her down. I wasn't accusing Rachel of e-stalking Felicity.

But if we look at what Alex Fear said... "she {Rachel} seems to consistently find and respond to any blog and forum posts that mention her name." Rachel is too sensitive an in my view very unreasonable about it especially the role she may play in getting an enquiry into 7-7. I think the 52 people (possibly 56) who died on that day would welcome a no-holds-barred investigation, because if there was a conspiracy that day (I conclude there was) then one must watch out for spooks who are put in place to spin the story and prevent the truth coming out. Rachel attracts criticism because she is a prime suspect for shill-dom - rightly or wrongly and when people see her sensitivity in relation to this, what can you expect?

It just so happens that it's possible that Rachels tendency to jump off the deep end is very likely to have contributed to the whole fjl thing and it looks like Felicity shares some of Rachels zeal in engaging certain kinds of opposition.

Felicity, if what is said about you is true, you really should consider ways in which to get over this. You must. The people that support you and love you don’t want to see this going on and on which is just likely to cause you harm. It may be better to accept that an injustice has been done and then just move on. But of course it's your call. If the injustice was too great to bury then I would still support you in your struggle, especially through a system that delivers an alarming number of injustices on the people it is supposed to serve.

Does anyone think its possible to just stop right now and all say together... Lets just concentrate on getting a full and independent enquiry into 7-7 that will look honestly and openly at ALL the issues of 7-7?

Come on, let's try. The addition of two more intelligent persons would be nothing but a boon.

If MSK et al did it then the enquiry will prove it. Rachel will be proved right and all sincere conspiraloons will accept it.

fjl [Visitor]
http://www.fjlathome2.blogspot.com
2007-11-23 @ 12:13

'FJL has been BANNED from the National Archives, not because of any complex conspiracy, but simply because she started harassing the Head of Conservation, and not only him but his wife and daughter too. For example, finding a photo of his daughter on her wedding day and publishing it on the Internet saying nderneath "at least the bitch managed to keep her legs shut for one day".

She has also been jailed three times, beginning 2000, for harassment offences. Rachel is merely one of many victims and it galls me to read that you consider HER to be a "victim of cyber-stalking".'

This ( above) is absolutely and entirely untrue, and written by an abusive saboteur who has absolutely nothing better to do than create and contribute to a revolting smear campaign. The National Archives and I have had a dispute about their behaviour over document release, quite simply. Note the abusive libel and rubbish I am subjected to by these abusers that I complain about.

I do not engage conflict, I believe. These stalkers have been hounding me with their abusive libellous rubbish for a long ime, and I hope we will soon get justice, and that they stop damaging people's lives with their foul ideas.

fjl [Visitor]
http://www.fjlathome2.blogspot.com
2007-11-23 @ 12:28

*we* being the proverbial me and mine.

( I am not making any inference to conspiracy theories about 7/7 which I do not concord with.)

The libellous abusive post written by the anonymous poster above, who doesn't have the manners or the courage to tell anyone his name, merely demonstrates the stalking and abusive nature of the sender, and I think we all know who it is. He is in the habit of writing his delusional 'indignance' in capital letters, abusing women while acing sententiously, and covering over his stalking obsessions by making snide threats to others about what might happen to them if they go against his 'group.' If there is anyone to be extremely careful about, it's this dreadful person. There is something seriously wrong with him. He cannot control his manipulations and his outbursts.

But he has done harm, and so justice will catch him. A thing he frenetically avoids.

Hopefully justice will be soon coming, and this character will be obliged to take his vile presence out of my previously peaceful life, a thing he refused to do when asked.
In his distorted view though, he probably belives that he will be vindicated when the evidence is looked at properly.

However, no one who usually engages in peaceful discussion wants to engage with him, whatso-ever. Let's hope he's gone in his usual disturbed frontal-lobe mood right off to pester someone else.

I have more than had enough of him and if he thinks people are not working very hard to bring him to justice, he is mistaken. My proof of evidence is ninety pages long.

Anon [Visitor]

2007-11-23 @ 12:42

So the claim that FJL was banned from the National Archives is absolutely and entirely untrue according to her?

Exhibit A - from FJL's blog cache

Since I printed my evidence on this blog, James Strachan has abusively banned me from the National Archives; an obviously manipulative move, as I had never been back since he first abused my research and the research principle.

Emphasis in original.

anon [Visitor]

2007-11-23 @ 13:13

OK, another example, irrefutable. Rachel has not been "goading" FJL at all. In fact, a year with no mention of her on her blog whatsoever deomnstrates an admirable restraint. Another victim received emails with content like "another word from you x, your face will be ruined, your legs broken, your sister made lame, your mind more deranged."

In addition, she has been arrested for hiring people to pose as policemen to intimidate an ex-partner (who themselves turned out to be undercover), and countless other relentless abuses, examples of harassment and lies.

She is currently being sued by Special Branch to the tune of £50,000.... the document is on her website - she is still continuing, following house reposession and declaring bankruptcy. This is not some fearless researcher determined to uncover truth. This is someone who has a SEVERE personality disorder and is a menace to society in general. Don't believe a word she says - she turns on EVERY ONE of her supporters soon enough, I promise you.

fjl [Visitor]
http://www.fjlathome2.blogspot.com
2007-11-23 @ 13:36

Another abusive bit of lunacy from a serious stalker and libelling saboteur, who is not afraid to show his abusive self, despite the points highlighted in this post, and consequent comments. I dislike this dreadful man intensely, and I rejected him because of his disorderd and abusive personality. He displaces all his anger and vengeance onto me. There is no record of me ever turning on any of my friends, as they can all testify.

I am not going to engage with him, and I would recommend everyone else take the same stance. It's all useful for the lawyers though, every time he carries on.

For information, my post re the National Archives and the actual situation is on my blog, I've just posted it there.

As it happens :-)

fjl [Visitor]
http://www.fjlathome2.blogspot.com
2007-11-23 @ 13:39

nb his allegations are deranged nonsense, as if it needed saying. I scarce bother responding , now.

he wants to be extremely careful about bankruptcy himself, given the extent of his libellous outbursts, which are all being catalogued, and logged carefully.

But he thinks himself above the law, and the idea of lawyers watching his behaviour is a joke to him.

EW [Visitor]

2007-11-23 @ 14:17

FJL

How do you know that the anon comments are from a man?
I don't see anything that indicates gender.

The facts of this matter are checkable, both by your own blog and archive cache, and through official court channels.

The Oxford Mail website also has various articles published about you and the court cases you have been involved in.

www.thisisoxford.co.uk

You declaring them to be untrue doesnt make them untrue.

ANON-mouse [Visitor]

2007-11-23 @ 14:34

Dear itwc247

Seeing as you seem to be demanding answers from people, that may be uncomfortable, I have one for you.

If this is true: QUOTE: I am perfectly well understand what you went through when the web campaign was launched against you. I have beeen the victim of a cyber-stalker and the stress of it was playing on my mind every second of the day.UNQUOTE.

Why do you sympathise with a convicted stalker?

Yes, itwc she was convicted of harassment, after a judge read pages and pages of nasty, defamatory, threatening and abusive e-mails and blog posts, that were spread over a long, long time. The fact that for 10 days there were wanted posters up for FJL who, during this 10 days continued her spiteful harassment of aforementioned 15 people. If it is true that you had a stalker that played on your mind every second of the day, just think that FJL did that to people for years and years and years.

lwtc247lwtc247 [Member]
2007-11-23 @ 14:41

@ fjl 2007-11-23 @ 11:13

A strong defence there Felicity. I don't expect you to get involved in 7-7 conspiracy Felicity. In my eyes you and 7-7 are very much independent issues, it's just that significantly '7-7 Rachel' is connecting you here.

@ anon 2007-11-23 @ 11:42

In fairness there were many points fjl quoted, and it is not clear if the bit about “banning” or something else e.g. the “photo” bit or “legs” claim that she was refuting. But Felicity, it has to be said, that in writing "This ( above) is absolutely and entirely untrue" anon is entitled to think you ARE referring to the banning as you included it in your quote.
--- fjl Were you refuting the banning?

@ anon 2007-11-23 @ 12:13
By posting here after fjl, Rachel was goading her. Rachel never mentioned her for a year -> because there wasn't a problem perhaps??. And what do you mean by "content like"? Was that the content or not? If not then what was really said? How do you know this information?

If you did write that Felicity... I'd kinda understand it if it was addressed to mass murderer T bLiar, but to an ordinary person on the street? It's too strong really! But people when angry do say things they may regret later.

How can you be arrested for hiring someone who poses as a policeman? Isn't it the person who poses as the policeman that's doing the dodgy deed? Again I feel I need to ask how do you know all of this stuff?

Look, it seems like there's a battle going on here to convince me and the people who read this blog that either fjl is good or fjl is bad.

What will be the lasting achievement if either side wins the day? Could you both address the question I asked earlier about trying to call a cease fire, step back and think about the wider more deserving picture? 52 people died on 7-7 the repercussions to the Muslim community are dire, and for the rest the free way of life is plummeting further down the drain. Our army is still the chief ally of the utterly rotten US administration in Afghanistan and Iraq, were being disgustingly talked into a war against Iran and we continue to support one of the most evil (fake)states in the world... Israel.

Some things are bigger an individual issues or bruising.

Don't we owe it to the 1million+ Iraqi's and God knows how many millions of Iranians that are going to die to stop all this?

fjl... If the allegations are false, dont worry, you're lawyer has plenty to nail these accusers, and If you have done things that you shouldn't Felicity, you have the chance to start a new chapter.